These are NO joke! I have written about these before and will continue to hammer this as an extremely serious threat.
Rachel Maddow had Frank Schaeffer on her show over at MSNBC again tonight. Listen carefully to how seriously he admonishes us to take heed as to what this imprecatory prayer genuinely means. This is truly frightening and we MUST not brush this off as rhetoric.
Here are just SOME of the products available for these ignorant people to buy and proudly display…
And my favorite one….a cute little bear! Who in the HELL is this for??? What is WRONG with these people? They are full of hate and violence.
What about this is in any way funny, mature or patriotic?
You’re right…none of it! This is a direct call to the wingnuts who are teabagging ‘c’hristian hatriots wherein lies a percentage of people who will take this as a mandate to assassinate the president in the name of God.
We have had this discussion before when I posted one of the imprecatory prayers levied against Mikey Weinstein and Reverend Barry Lynn by Lt. Col. Klingenschmitt, former Navy chaplain. I will end this post today with a re-posting below for those who have not heard the call for Weinstein’s and Lynn’s demise using the same Psalm 109. Klingenschmitt reads this Psalm which is as follows:
Psalm 109:8 “Let his days be few. And let another take his office.”
Psalm 109:9 “Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.”
FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN “FATWAH” ISSUED AGAINST
LIVES OF MIKEY WEINSTEIN
AND REV. BARRY LYNN
“One-Minute Prayer: Let us pray. Almighty God, today we pray imprecatoryprayers from Psalm 109 against the enemies of religious liberty, including Barry Lynn and Mikey Weinstein, who issued press releases this week attacking me personally. God, do not remain silent, for wicked men surround us and tell lies about us. We bless them, but they curse us. Therefore find them guilty, not me. Let their days be few, and replace them with Godly people. Plunder their fields, and seize their assets. Cut off their descendants, and remember their sins, in Jesus’ name. Amen.”
Imprecatory Prayers Commercialized Against President Obama
These are NO joke! I have written about these before and will continue to hammer this as an extremely serious threat.
Rachel Maddow had Frank Schaeffer on her show over at MSNBC again tonight. Click here to view the video segment of her interview with Schaeffer and listen carefully to how seriously he admonishes us to take heed as to what this imprecatory prayer genuinely means. This is truly frightening and we Imprecatory Prayers Commercialized Against President Obama
These are NO joke! I have written about these before and will continue to hammer this as an extremely serious threat.
Rachel Maddow had Frank Schaeffer on her show over at MSNBC again tonight. Click here to view the video segment of her interview with Schaeffer and listen carefully to how seriously he admonishes us to take heed as to what this imprecatory prayer genuinely means. This is truly frightening and we MUST
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Leah ,Heres a post I made on my blog (A short form) after reading about Scripture being misused —– It's time to Speak out against threats against The President of the United States.—-It's not funny any more Fanatics Quoting,writing,displaying and wearing clothing with Scripture that threatens The President of The United States! Here's an example of several Commandments that obviously these people are unaware of. The 3rd.Exodus 20:7 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your GOD for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless"Get it you cant hide behind GOD to Lie,Slander or worse Kill.The 6th.Exodus 20:13 "You shall not Murder" Anger and hurtful words are like murder."The 9th.You shall not give false testimony " No false information No Lies .Maybe you people (you know who you are) Should try the truth ! You cant bend the commandments they are written in stone and to say the least concise.Better watch out God see's you for what you are,and you aren't pretty!!
Here is a link to the Secret Service field offices. I encourage everyone to contact their local field offices with information as well as links to persons producing these threats. Here are a few links to sites on Zazzle where the threat is being sold:
… too old to fear for myself, I am concerned for those younger than I who dare think and be "different" from what the fundamentalists/dominionists think of as the norm…
"Full Speed Into The Past" of medieval ignorance seems to be the be all and end all motto.
The educational mea culpa of Frank Schaeffer, though late, is appreciated.
The name Klingenschmitt is right out of medieval Germany: "Blade Smith".
His forebears may very well have forged the blades of some of the crusaders…
if so, that would explain much… but it does not excuse!
These people are a disgrace to the Bible. Acts 1:20 clearly states that Psalm 109:8 refers to Judas Iscariot: King David's outpouring against his own enemies was also a prophecy of the man the Lord Jesus called "a devil" in John 6:70. Barack Obama is not a devil. The actions of the wicked man in Psalm 109 are not the actions of President Obama. Scripture has been twisted for political agitation. The T-shirts and aprons and teddy bears (!) are putting money into the bank accounts of unknown people. Follow the money!
I thought that segment with Frank Schaeffer was chilling. Today I watched Sarah Palin with Barbara Walters and Palin said an odd thing that I thought someone here might explain. She was asked about Israeli settlements on the West Bank and SP said she supported more settlements and gave as a reason the Jewish people flowing into Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead. What is she referring to?
Possibly that they got a master plan involving the Jews taking over the whole of their former kingdom so they can rebuild the Temple (I know a lot of eschatological theology mentions this).
A mass migration of the world's Jewish population to Israel (and
reclaiming of all of the historic territory of Israel) is in fact a
MAJOR part of NAR (and specifically "Assemblies lineage" NAR) theology.
Specifically, with "Assemblies NARasites", there is actually a supposed
endtime prophecy involving the world's Jewish population being
essentially herded to Israel or voluntarily making aliyah (more
recently, there's been an increasing emphasis on Jewish people being
forced there *involuntarily*). This is supposed to be one of the things
that is a "trigger event" for the Rapture, as well as the conversion of
144,000 of the world's Jews to "Messianic Judaism".
Post-Rapture, the rest of the world's Jewish population that hasn't made
it to Israel is supposed to be herded there forcibly by massive
anti-Semitic violence, with Israel essentially serving as a mega-ghetto;
two post-Rapture convertees are supposed to be martyred, which will
supposedly spark essentially a "Tribulation Revival" with most of the
world's Jewish people converting to Messianic Judaism. Then at the end,
Joel's Army descends en masse from Heaven, meets up with the convertees,
and kills the rest of the world's population (often explicitly depicted
as being led by the Russians) and sends them to Hell.
In other words, the whole issue of Israeli settlements is promoted to
the Jewish people as a sort of Manifest Destiny whilst being treated as
a Xanatos Gambit by the Joel's Army crowd.
(And some of this–particularly with John Hagee talking about "hunters"
and "fishers"–DOES cross the line into frank anti-Semitism itself.
Among other things, Hagee has explicitly called *ADOLF HITLER* one of
those doing "God's Work" in herding Jewish people to Israel by that
little thing called the Holocaust..
Another reason is that Israel is actively seeking immigrants. They have programs in place to subsidize new immigrants with jobs, money, and housing. I read that since jobs are scarce in the US, quite a few American Jews are taking advantage of the subsidies and moving to Israel – at least on a temporary basis.
This gives me very creepy goosebumps. I saw Frankie live last night on Rachel and thought it was his best appearance ever. Let's post links to this video everywhere we have a web presence and make this go viral.
I'm writing to Rachel and asking her to put Leah on her show.
Excellent idea! Rachel and Leah will help spread the word on how dangerous the far right fundamentalists are. The sad thing is that the Fuchs Noose viewers will never see it, and if they read/hear about it, their first reaction will be anger.
It's a dog whistle – I daresay not everyone will recognize the verse unless they look it up. The KJV reads: "Let his days be few; and let another take his office." The second half of the verse is quoted in Acts 1.20b (as "may another take his supervisory", my own translation), as someone else said referring to Judas Iscariot.
I wish the sane Americans would be a vocal and present as the loonies. Why do we not stand up for what is right and just? We cannot surrender this coutry to the Beck's,palin's and limbaugh'sof this country.
This is truly one of our Achilles heel points in that we do not get as assertively proactive as we need to. I am not suggesting ever that we go down to their level. I AM suggesting that we need to STOP being so tolerant of their intolerance. If we don't – we will find ourselves right back in the minority…which the way we are acting right now…we pretty much are anyway. They are bullies and the only way they get away with that is because we curl up in a ball and let them.
You are spot on. We must not surrender our country over, because this time the damage will be irreversible…
Leah. I just read on daily KOS that Sarah is being allowed on to a couple military bases to sell her book and we know at the same time degrade our president. I can only think what forces could allow a civilian to hock their wears on a military base. And And And Deride our government!
This wingnut group is wayyyyy to cozy with the military for my liking. Fort Hood Does not need extremism in any form.
Also i am sorry i do try to use rebiblican as much as i can. But Paliban just rolls off my tongue when i am fired up.
Yes it is the Paliban…I hear you. But for national purposes and all the others who are just like her but with less – dare I say – celebrity, we must continue to bind them together with rebiblican. Repetition works! They use it all the time. Like, "Hi my name is Sarah Palin and I am just a homespun lil 'c'hristian girl who cares about you." They are buying that like it was truth aren't they?
[The key word is "rapture" - the word that drives the Christian Right, makes "rapture" millionaires, and has the wackiest history (of any doctrine) which one historian has spent a lifetime uncovering. See details below which I found a while ago. How has all this been unknown to so many? Judy]
PRETRIB RAPTURE RUSTLERS
To see the long hidden side of the 179-year-old, British-invented-and-American-merchandised, apocalyptic "rapture" mania, Google "Pretrib Rapture Diehards," "Thomas Ice (Bloopers)" (the sloppy copyist "genius" that Lindsey, LaHaye and other "rapture" tycoons lean on!), "LaHaye's Temperament," "America's Pretrib Rapture Traffickers," "Edward Irving is Unnerving," "Thieves' Marketing," "Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal," "The Newest Pretrib Calendar," "The Rapture Index (Mad Theology)," "Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism" and "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty," for starters. The author of these items plus the bestselling nonfiction book "The Rapture Plot" (available online) is journalist/historian Dave MacPherson who has uniquely focused for 40 years on the bizarre history of this endtime craze which is anti-Jewish, anti-Catholic and anti- just about everyone else! MacPherson is the "Pretrib Rapture Answerman" who has researched throughout Britain and aired so much rapturesque "dirty linen" that he's found behind the scenes (clever revisionism of early 19th century documents, rampant plagiarism, phony doctorates, Swaggart-type scandals etc.) that he is now No. 1 on the hate lists of the leading "rapture" money-changers! As everyone's black, dust-covered book says, "There is nothing hidden that won't be revealed…." (PS: Google "Pretrib Hypocrisy" for stun-gun shocks about the Assemblies of God with which there's a Sarah Palin connection!)
The amount of misinformation in the area of eschatology is staggering. And this is true about historian Dave MacPherson (see first item above) who is constantly lied about. Since the impression is often given that no leader or scholar endorses him or his viewpoint, I thought I would share something which indicates that many leading thinkers and doers do indeed agree with his outlook. It is an article titled "Famous Rapture Watchers – Addendum" and I found it on the web. Randolph
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a cute little bear! Who in the HELL is this for??? What is WRONG with these people? They are full of hate and violence.
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Leah ,Heres a post I made on my blog (A short form) after reading about Scripture being misused —– It's time to Speak out against threats against The President of the United States.—-It's not funny any more Fanatics Quoting,writing,displaying and wearing clothing with Scripture that threatens The President of The United States! Here's an example of several Commandments that obviously these people are unaware of. The 3rd.Exodus 20:7 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your GOD for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless"Get it you cant hide behind GOD to Lie,Slander or worse Kill.The 6th.Exodus 20:13 "You shall not Murder" Anger and hurtful words are like murder."The 9th.You shall not give false testimony " No false information No Lies .Maybe you people (you know who you are) Should try the truth ! You cant bend the commandments they are written in stone and to say the least concise.Better watch out God see's you for what you are,and you aren't pretty!!
Here is a link to the Secret Service field offices. I encourage everyone to contact their local field offices with information as well as links to persons producing these threats. Here are a few links to sites on Zazzle where the threat is being sold:
http://www.zazzle.com/pray_for_obama_psalm_109_8_...
http://www.zazzle.com/pray_for_obama_psalm_109_8_...
http://www.zazzle.com/pray_for_obama_psalm_109_8_...
http://www.zazzle.com/dont_forget_to_pray_2_bumpe...
http://www.zazzle.com/conservatives_are_praying_b...
These are just a few examples. Please contact the Secret Service
… too old to fear for myself, I am concerned for those younger than I who dare think and be "different" from what the fundamentalists/dominionists think of as the norm…
"Full Speed Into The Past" of medieval ignorance seems to be the be all and end all motto.
The educational mea culpa of Frank Schaeffer, though late, is appreciated.
The name Klingenschmitt is right out of medieval Germany: "Blade Smith".
His forebears may very well have forged the blades of some of the crusaders…
if so, that would explain much… but it does not excuse!
These people are a disgrace to the Bible. Acts 1:20 clearly states that Psalm 109:8 refers to Judas Iscariot: King David's outpouring against his own enemies was also a prophecy of the man the Lord Jesus called "a devil" in John 6:70. Barack Obama is not a devil. The actions of the wicked man in Psalm 109 are not the actions of President Obama. Scripture has been twisted for political agitation. The T-shirts and aprons and teddy bears (!) are putting money into the bank accounts of unknown people. Follow the money!
I thought that segment with Frank Schaeffer was chilling. Today I watched Sarah Palin with Barbara Walters and Palin said an odd thing that I thought someone here might explain. She was asked about Israeli settlements on the West Bank and SP said she supported more settlements and gave as a reason the Jewish people flowing into Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead. What is she referring to?
Possibly that they got a master plan involving the Jews taking over the whole of their former kingdom so they can rebuild the Temple (I know a lot of eschatological theology mentions this).
ALEX ANSWER:
A mass migration of the world's Jewish population to Israel (and
reclaiming of all of the historic territory of Israel) is in fact a
MAJOR part of NAR (and specifically "Assemblies lineage" NAR) theology.
Specifically, with "Assemblies NARasites", there is actually a supposed
endtime prophecy involving the world's Jewish population being
essentially herded to Israel or voluntarily making aliyah (more
recently, there's been an increasing emphasis on Jewish people being
forced there *involuntarily*). This is supposed to be one of the things
that is a "trigger event" for the Rapture, as well as the conversion of
144,000 of the world's Jews to "Messianic Judaism".
Post-Rapture, the rest of the world's Jewish population that hasn't made
it to Israel is supposed to be herded there forcibly by massive
anti-Semitic violence, with Israel essentially serving as a mega-ghetto;
two post-Rapture convertees are supposed to be martyred, which will
supposedly spark essentially a "Tribulation Revival" with most of the
world's Jewish people converting to Messianic Judaism. Then at the end,
Joel's Army descends en masse from Heaven, meets up with the convertees,
and kills the rest of the world's population (often explicitly depicted
as being led by the Russians) and sends them to Hell.
In other words, the whole issue of Israeli settlements is promoted to
the Jewish people as a sort of Manifest Destiny whilst being treated as
a Xanatos Gambit by the Joel's Army crowd.
(And some of this–particularly with John Hagee talking about "hunters"
and "fishers"–DOES cross the line into frank anti-Semitism itself.
Among other things, Hagee has explicitly called *ADOLF HITLER* one of
those doing "God's Work" in herding Jewish people to Israel by that
little thing called the Holocaust..
Another reason is that Israel is actively seeking immigrants. They have programs in place to subsidize new immigrants with jobs, money, and housing. I read that since jobs are scarce in the US, quite a few American Jews are taking advantage of the subsidies and moving to Israel – at least on a temporary basis.
This gives me very creepy goosebumps. I saw Frankie live last night on Rachel and thought it was his best appearance ever. Let's post links to this video everywhere we have a web presence and make this go viral.
I'm writing to Rachel and asking her to put Leah on her show.
Excellent idea! Rachel and Leah will help spread the word on how dangerous the far right fundamentalists are. The sad thing is that the Fuchs Noose viewers will never see it, and if they read/hear about it, their first reaction will be anger.
In a way this aint so bad as it has gone very wide on the intertubes today. this can only help to show others the depths of this aberation.
My new bumper sticker is….Investigate the PALIBAN
It's a dog whistle – I daresay not everyone will recognize the verse unless they look it up. The KJV reads: "Let his days be few; and let another take his office." The second half of the verse is quoted in Acts 1.20b (as "may another take his supervisory", my own translation), as someone else said referring to Judas Iscariot.
Hi Leah — Great post. I linked to you. We still need to catch up- I'm going to be around this weekend.
"Sarah Palin is the Radical Right's Weapon of Mass Destruction"
The American Taliban.
I wish the sane Americans would be a vocal and present as the loonies. Why do we not stand up for what is right and just? We cannot surrender this coutry to the Beck's,palin's and limbaugh'sof this country.
Apathy…
This is truly one of our Achilles heel points in that we do not get as assertively proactive as we need to. I am not suggesting ever that we go down to their level. I AM suggesting that we need to STOP being so tolerant of their intolerance. If we don't – we will find ourselves right back in the minority…which the way we are acting right now…we pretty much are anyway. They are bullies and the only way they get away with that is because we curl up in a ball and let them.
You are spot on. We must not surrender our country over, because this time the damage will be irreversible…
It just keeps getting worse.
http://bubbleidiots.blogspot.com/2009/11/more-rig...
Leah. I just read on daily KOS that Sarah is being allowed on to a couple military bases to sell her book and we know at the same time degrade our president. I can only think what forces could allow a civilian to hock their wears on a military base. And And And Deride our government!
This wingnut group is wayyyyy to cozy with the military for my liking. Fort Hood Does not need extremism in any form.
Also i am sorry i do try to use rebiblican as much as i can. But Paliban just rolls off my tongue when i am fired up.
Yes it is the Paliban…I hear you. But for national purposes and all the others who are just like her but with less – dare I say – celebrity, we must continue to bind them together with rebiblican. Repetition works! They use it all the time. Like, "Hi my name is Sarah Palin and I am just a homespun lil 'c'hristian girl who cares about you." They are buying that like it was truth aren't they?
What happened to Romans 13:1-7? All governments are there because God wants them there.
What, indeed… "The powers that be are ordained of God", right? They seem to conveniently forget that along with other verses like Matthew 7.1…
[The key word is "rapture" - the word that drives the Christian Right, makes "rapture" millionaires, and has the wackiest history (of any doctrine) which one historian has spent a lifetime uncovering. See details below which I found a while ago. How has all this been unknown to so many? Judy]
PRETRIB RAPTURE RUSTLERS
To see the long hidden side of the 179-year-old, British-invented-and-American-merchandised, apocalyptic "rapture" mania, Google "Pretrib Rapture Diehards," "Thomas Ice (Bloopers)" (the sloppy copyist "genius" that Lindsey, LaHaye and other "rapture" tycoons lean on!), "LaHaye's Temperament," "America's Pretrib Rapture Traffickers," "Edward Irving is Unnerving," "Thieves' Marketing," "Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal," "The Newest Pretrib Calendar," "The Rapture Index (Mad Theology)," "Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism" and "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty," for starters. The author of these items plus the bestselling nonfiction book "The Rapture Plot" (available online) is journalist/historian Dave MacPherson who has uniquely focused for 40 years on the bizarre history of this endtime craze which is anti-Jewish, anti-Catholic and anti- just about everyone else! MacPherson is the "Pretrib Rapture Answerman" who has researched throughout Britain and aired so much rapturesque "dirty linen" that he's found behind the scenes (clever revisionism of early 19th century documents, rampant plagiarism, phony doctorates, Swaggart-type scandals etc.) that he is now No. 1 on the hate lists of the leading "rapture" money-changers! As everyone's black, dust-covered book says, "There is nothing hidden that won't be revealed…." (PS: Google "Pretrib Hypocrisy" for stun-gun shocks about the Assemblies of God with which there's a Sarah Palin connection!)
Judy…thank you for that mountain of information! I love the "Rapture Rustlers"….great phrase. I will certainly take the time to view your links….
The amount of misinformation in the area of eschatology is staggering. And this is true about historian Dave MacPherson (see first item above) who is constantly lied about. Since the impression is often given that no leader or scholar endorses him or his viewpoint, I thought I would share something which indicates that many leading thinkers and doers do indeed agree with his outlook. It is an article titled "Famous Rapture Watchers – Addendum" and I found it on the web. Randolph